2 months ago   

So consider this a site wide challenge...

Can someone name a black rapper that doesnt have the lyrical ability of a special ed 4th grader?

Granted I havent listened to every black rapper out there... so they are not ALL bad.. before someone starts trying to throw racist in my general direction... and there are a few exceptions on black rappers that I have heard, some I like... bust most are mainstream buffoons.

If the rapper can catagorized as mainstream or "Gangsta" do not bother listing them... for the obvious reason that they are probably booty...

so go ahead.. and list away... I will post back with whether or not i have heard them.. and if i havent i will give them a listen.

2 months ago     

Lupe Fiasco, NaS, Royce da 5' 9", lol we've already had a disscussion about this.

2 months ago     

I bet you'd like reks maybe. not sure but check him out oh and check out WALE! 

2 months ago     

Yeah, I've been having this conversation alot recently.. thats why im trying to get some more input... not a lupe fan.. but Royce was one of the exceptions that i mentioned.. i prolly should have listed those as well... keep them coming.. I will check out reks and wale.

2 months ago     

NoCando, can freestyle well.......................

Uhm.. Fab is good, but I see that you covered that in your post.. we're having this conversation as I type this.

hmmmmmmm Big L , L Finesse, Percee P were pretty dope.

I can't think of any more.

2 months ago     

Big L, Mos Def, Jedi Mind Tricks (group), Wu tang, etc lol thats all i got for now bro. reks is a hit or miss by the way same for wale. 

2 months ago     

reks shows promise... lmao @ wale.. i know that seemed familiar... damn you Ryan!

2 months ago     

Did us white folk trade JMT for a draft pick or something? lollll mostly white to my recollection.

2 months ago     

I will say that Big L is easiest the best head of the Hydra... being between Biggie, Tupac, and Big L... sometimes ppl throw Jay Z in there too... none of which are that good to me save Big L.

2 months ago     

wale's got some decent shit but his other stuff sucks. reks has a hot promotional song called pray for me (suicide note) which is my favorite song by him. I love outkast, kanye west has his moments, not on his recent albums. 

2 months ago     

album*

2 months ago     

Nas, Rakim, Big L, Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Jadakiss < almost all of the mainstream greats

Chino XL (half Jamaican), Papoose, Fabolous, Cannibal Ox, Lupe Fiasco, just to name a few

2 months ago     

Canibus, Crooked I, Gift of Gab, Illogic, Icon the Mic King, Murs, One Be Lo, Blueprint and Tonedeff

2 months ago     

Thanks for adding absolutely nothing Jon... the only ones I dont have alot of listen time with is GOG and Icon.

2 months ago     

I've gotten spoiled by my online school dude.. you can see the last post while you make your post... how hard would that be to implement here? seriously...

and One be lo.

2 months ago     

You liking Crooked I kind of surprises me big guy.

2 months ago     

Scratch GOG.. I had forgotten who he was.. yes he is good.

2 months ago     

Forgot about bis, smh

2 months ago     

Besides, black ppl created rap, so even if they were all trash, they already made the whole shit possible ... kinda like NY ... their dues are already paid, not ti discredit any one.

2 months ago     

Fuck dude.. its funny how much shit can slip your mind... forgot about Binary Star too... one be lo gets the checkmark too...

2 months ago     

ahh yes.. the Icon.. black Cage.. voice wise.. not content wise... which is good. Also gets the Check...

2 months ago     

Lol, good point, I'm not trying to defend garbage black rappers i.e., Lil Wayne, but I think you got my point.

2 months ago     

i forgot about canibus. 

2 months ago     

OMFG THE DOPEST RAPPER EVER: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpocrqvP2Yg

2 months ago     

Canibus and Big L.. yeah thats it. Crooked I is coo, on his old shit, now..i ono

2 months ago     

I stopped caring how clever the things rappers say are a while ago, I just want the shit to be hard and the flow to be good....I don't care what a rapper has to say about the economic crisis, religion or aliens.

2 months ago     

And, to answer the question with a name peopel somehow failed to mention, uhm, obviously, rakim.

2 months ago     

Lil Wayne is almost like the posterchild now for a wack rapper who is ridiculously successful.....if u heard Lil Wayne prior to the Carter 3....particularly the Carter 2 you would change ur mind i think...The thing is he isnt trying and the sad part is a track like Lollipop was the hottest song of the year....If you were Lil wayne and u put out a near classic in carter 2....an album u prolly put a shit load of effort into...only to eclipse those sales with a super dumbed down album....Thats what sells now...Truth is that most artists who are being lyrical are selling to the people who truly appreciate lyricism. And the number of people who appreciate lyricism/ real hip hop is heavily outweighed by the ones who just want that hot sounding beat/ swag bullshit....


I distinctly remember when Lil Wayne first saying he was the best rapper alive i thought it was blasphemous...I heard the Carter 2 front to back and it really didnt seem like much of a stretch to me....Now though..i hate him.

Jay-z, Crooked, Buddens, Nas, Royce, Lupe, J Cole, Wale, Joell, Ye', Buckshot, Common, Talib, Mos Def, Wayne 05/06,  

2 months ago     

and Canibus may be the most overrated rapper ever...

2 months ago     

Big L, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Mos Def, Talib, Skillz, Canibus (cant listen to son for long periods), The Wu of course, Pac, Big, O.C.

I agree with some of the shit Problem was saying about Wayne, yea son was spittin around Tha Carter and Carter 2 but thats because of ghostwriters like Gillie Da Kid and whoever was behind the scenes for Carter 2

2 months ago     

Wayne was never hit, nor will he be.

2 months ago     

hot*

2 months ago     

Big L....

Skino Greene http://www.myspace.com/skinogreene

Nickelus F

Redman

2 months ago     

I said that, didn't I?

2 months ago     

I agree that Bis is over rated but I still think he's ill, and I agree that Wayne used to be a lot better, but I'd put him closer to decent than the best of anything.

What about battle rappers?  I guess Mook is over rated as well but he's still dope for what he does.  What about Math?  I think some one mentioned NoCan ...

Did any one mention Kurupt?  Killah Priest?  Ras Kass?

2 months ago     

papoose..

2 months ago     

Reef the lost cauze.. Vakill.. Singapore Kane.. J5.. PaceWon.. Blacastan.. Jean Grae.. C-Rayz Wallz.. Elzhi.. Jakki Da Motormouth..

Fuck you anyway

2 months ago     

Canibus is lyrically ill....mostly only due to his vast vocab...as far as style and almost everything else goes...blah...dude is stuck in 99 or some shit. I could make a 'good black rappers' list all day

2 months ago     

I fgt about Reef and Jakki.

2 months ago     

diablo

2 months ago     

andre 3000... see darric i feel like your asking for lyricism, not rap. Rap is also performance, a lot of the people that have been named and you denied as good are great performers, and can capture and audience while delivering a message. See iv heard some amazing lyricist who aren't shit when it comes to performing (90% of goldmic)... but ya. theres my 2 cents 

2 months ago     

[quote=Darric]

So consider this a site wide challenge...

Can someone name a black rapper that doesnt have the lyrical ability of a special ed 4th grader?

Granted
I havent listened to every black rapper out there... so they are not
ALL bad.. before someone starts trying to throw racist in my general
direction... and there are a few exceptions on black rappers that I
have heard, some I like... bust most are mainstream buffoons.

[/quote]

Yo..
The Majority of Hip-Hop.. Especially threw the media eyes are black
people... "most are mainstream buffoons"? Thats kinda hatin.. In the
wrong direction.. You Cant say people wouldnt be hatin on 85% of the
white rappers if it was only like 4 mainstream black rappers.. Most
black rappers arent mainstream buffoons.. People who talk that dumb
shit get the deals cuz thats what they want promoted.. People like good
music.. Doesnt have to be gangsta, bling bling, bitches and hoes..
Without that we can still identify wit good music, You gotta ask why
the mainstream gives deals to those lames instead of the real "superior
lyricist".. Black or white, or asian or latin... The game could be
filled with exactly the kinda emcees ur talkin about, but they dont get
deals.. Dont get exposed... Cant hate the player in this one... 

They
makin boys in tight ass nut huggers popular... Its gonna get alot worse
before it gets alot better.. But I couldnt even begin to name "Good
black rappers".... Thats like askin somebody to name mean pit bulls...
Its probably about 25+ "Good black rappers" in every major urban city
in america.. And I cant say the numbers are different for any other
race.. Its all kinda talent out there.. Its pretty obvious that
"Mainstream Hip-Hop" Is supposed to look exactlly how you see it..

2 months ago     

The comment was supposed to sound slightly antagonistic just to invigorate a response. It really has nothing to do with race honestly. There are alot of garbage white mainstream rappers too. Thats just how it works... Why it is that shit sells I guess I can never fully understand. The lowest common I guess... its thanks to the lowest common.

Also.. I must differ from most.. I kind of need a whole package in an emcee.. I cant really listen intensely to someone that has ie alot of flow but shitty lyrics... or bullshit spoken word lyrics with no flow... its not to say that I dont casually listen to classics... who doesnt sing along with LL when he explains that his momma said that he should knock whoever out?

2 months ago     

I Like NWA, RUN DMC, Talib Kweli, DJ Quick and Suga Free...then Immortal Technique is hot too...but then CAM and Ras Kas...nuff said...

2 months ago     

ohhh that's CAM not CAM'RON...and let us not forget Andre3000

2 months ago     

btw whatever happened to O-Solo??? he was the nicest nigga to ever come out of fight klub besides serius jones smh..

2 months ago     

gza/genius, AZ, Deltron, De la soul, common, pharcyde, method and red, ghostface, cassidy (not that great but a lot of battle rappers stole his style, i.e mook), Blu(e), cannibal ox, hieroglyphic, DOOM, the roots (one of the only bands besides snoop to still use a full drum set in their beats.. actually musical talent),

it's kind of hard to deny black people are good at rapping and creating the rap genre as a whole..